Journals of the Senate
51 Elizabeth II, A.D. 2002, Canada
Journals of the Senate
1st Session, 37th Parliament
Issue 91
Thursday, February 21, 2002
1:30 p.m.
The Honourable Daniel Hays, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, Banks, Beaudoin, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, Carney, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, De Bané, Di Nino, Doody, Duhamel, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, Kolber, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Meighen, Milne, Moore, Morin, Murray, Nolin, Pearson, Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Sparrow, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Tunney, Watt, Wiebe, Wilson
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, *Bacon, Banks, Beaudoin, *Biron, Bolduc, Bryden, Buchanan, *Callbeck, Carney, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, De Bané, Di Nino, Doody, Duhamel, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, *Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hervieux-Payette, *Jaffer, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Keon, Kinsella, *Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, LaPierre, Lapointe, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Meighen, Milne, Moore, Morin, Murray, Nolin, *Oliver, Pearson, *Phalen, Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Sparrow, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Tunney, Watt, Wiebe, Wilson
PRAYERS
SENATORS' STATEMENTS
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees
The Honourable Senator Meighen, for the Honourable Senator Kenny, Chair of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence, presented its Fourth Report (budget—study on Veterans Affairs).
(The Report is printed as an Appendix)
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Meighen moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stratton, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration later this day.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Gauthier, for the Honourable Senator Maheu, Joint Chair of the Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages tabled its Seventh Report (Final) on the services offered in both official languages by Air Canada entitled: Good Intentions Are Not Enough.—Sessional Paper No. 1/37-643S.
The Honourable Senator Gauthier moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Tunney, that the Report be placed on the Orders of the Day for consideration at the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Notices of Motions
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Hervieux-Payette, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Taylor:
That when the Minister of Fisheries and Oceans appears before the Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations in relation to the Aboriginal Communal Fishing Licences Regulations, the Committee be empowered to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Third reading of Bill C-15A, An Act to amend the Criminal Code and to amend other Acts, as amended.
The Honourable Senator Pearson moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Poy, that the Bill be read the third time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Nolin moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Tkachuk, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Hervieux-Payette, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Milne, for the third reading of Bill C-41, An Act to amend the Canadian Commercial Corporation Act.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Bill was then read the third time and passed.
Ordered, That a Message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that House that the Senate have passed this Bill, without amendment.
OTHER BUSINESS
Senate Public Bills
Orders No. 1 to 8 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Second reading of Bill S-36, An Act respecting Canadian citizenship.
The Honourable Senator Kinsella moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Bolduc, that the Bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Cook moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Ferretti Barth, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Second reading of Bill S-39, An Act to amend the National Anthem Act to include all Canadians.
The Honourable Senator Poy moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Banks, that the Bill be read the second time.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Adams, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was negatived.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Poy tabled the following:
Documents and letters of support concerning Bill S-39. —Sessional Paper No. 1/37-644S.
The Senate resumed the debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Poy, seconded by the Honourable Senator Banks for the second reading of Bill S-39, An Act to amend the National Anthem Act to include all Canadians.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Banks moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Weibe, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Reports of Committees
Orders No. 1 to 5 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Consideration of the Fourth Report of the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence (budget—study on Veterans Affairs), presented in the Senate earlier today.
The Honourable Senator Meighen moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stratton, that the Report be adopted.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Other
Orders No. 35 (inquiry), 41 (motion), 37, 28 (inquiries), 3 (motion), 31, 38, and 36 (inquiries) were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Poy calling the attention of the Senate to the national anthem.
Debate concluded.
Orders No. 16, 11, 29, 33 and 32 (inquiries) were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator DeWare, seconded by the Honourable Senator Kinsella:
That the Senate endorse and support the following statements from two of its Standing Committees in relation to Bill C-4 being An Act to establish a foundation to fund sustainable development technology.
From the Fifth Report of the Standing Senate Committee on Energy, the Environment and Natural Resources the following statement:
"The actions of the Government of Canada in creating a private sector corporation as a stand-in for the Foundation now proposed in Bill C-4, and the depositing of $100 million of taxpayer's money with that corporation, without the prior approval of Parliament, is an affront to members of both Houses of Parliament. The Committee requests that the Speaker of the Senate notify the Speaker of the House of Commons of the dismay and concern of the Senate with this circumvention of the parliamentary process.''
From the Eighth Report of the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance being its Interim Report on the 2001-2002 Estimates, the Committee's comments on Bill C-4:
"Senators wondered if this was an appropriate way to create such agencies and crown corporations. They questioned whether the government should have passed the bill before it advanced the funding. The members of the Committee condemn this process, which creates and funds a $100 million agency without prior Parliamentary approval.''
And that this Resolution be sent to the Speaker of the House of Commons so that he may acquaint the House of Commons with the Senate's views and conclusions on Bill C-4 being An Act to establish a foundation to fund sustainable development technology
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Kinsella for the Honourable Senator Meighen moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Andreychuk, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Resuming debate on the inquiry of the Honourable Senator Prud'homme, P.C., calling the attention of the Senate to the way in which, in the future, honorary Canadian citizens should be named and national days of remembrance proclaimed for individuals or events.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Adams, that further debate on the inquiry be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Order No. 74 (motion) was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Maheu, seconded by the Honourable Senator Setlakwe:
That this House:
(a) Calls upon the Government of Canada to recognize the genocide of the Armenians and to condemn any attempt to deny or distort a historical truth as being anything less than genocide, a crime against humanity.
(b) Designates April 24th of every year hereafter throughout Canada as a day of remembrance of the 1.5 million Armenians who fell victim to the first genocide of the twentieth century.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Cools moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Adams, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Order No. 8 (inquiry) was called and pursuant to Rule 27(3) was dropped from the Order Paper.
MOTIONS
The Honourable Senator Murray, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stratton:
That the date for the presentation by the Standing Senate Committee on National Finance of the final report on its study on the effectiveness and possible improvements to the present equalization policy, which was authorized by the Senate on June 12, 2001, be extended to March 22, 2002.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Andreychuk moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Comeau:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights be authorised to examine and report on the status of Canada's adherence to international human rights instruments and on the process whereby Canada enters into, implements, and reports on such agreements; and
That the Committee report to the Senate no later than March31, 2003.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
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With leave,
The Senate reverted to Government Notices of Motions.
With leave of the Senate,
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator DeBané, P.C.:
That when the Senate adjourns today, it do stand adjourned until Tuesday, March 5, 2002, at 2:00 p.m.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Graham, P.C.:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
(Accordingly, at 3:50 p.m. the Senate was continued until Tuesday, March 5, 2002 at 2:00 p.m.)
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Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)
Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications
The name of the Honourable Senator Forrestall substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Spivak (February 20).
Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce
The name of the Honourable Senator Di Nino substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Angus (February 20).
The name of the Honourable Senator Gill substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Furey (February 21).
Standing Senate Committee on Foreign Affairs
The name of the Honourable Senator Stratton substituted for that of the Honourable Senator DiNino (February 20).
The name of the Honourable Senator Di Nino substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Stratton (February 21).
Standing Committee on Rules, Procedures and the Rights of Parliament
The name of the Honourable Senator Rossiter substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Nolin (February 20).
Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration
The name of the Honourable Senator Fairbairn substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Poulin (February 20).
Standing Joint Committee on Official Languages
The name of the Honourable Senator Fraser removed from the membership (February 20).
Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights
The names of the Honourable Senators Cook and Cordy substituted for that of the Honourable Senators Jaffer and Poy (February 20).
Standing Joint Committee for the Scrutiny of Regulations
The name of the Honourable Senator Tunney substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Jaffer (February 21).
Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology
The name of the Honourable Senator Léger substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Pépin (February 21).